Talk:Empires

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What is with e_sunni and e_shiite?

The Caliphates used to be empire-tier, but in some patch Paradox replaced them with duchy-level titles. They left the titles in the files though, as deleting them would've probably broken saves. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2013 (CEST)

Should we add other de jure maps for other starts? 867 and 769 come to mind. This could apply to other maps as well (duchy, kingdom, religion, culture...) RedSilver (talk) 03:15, 24 November 2014 (CET)

Requirement of 80%?[edit]

I am confused about the requirement now. Do the requirements listed in the table overrule the requirements you mention in the beginning? The one about the 80% for example. It seems like it, because I created the HRE without controlling 80% of its De Jure land. I was playing the 867 start from Holland. Eventually I made Frisia (16 counties). Then I conquered Lotharingia (13 counties) and kept its crown. Finally I managed to conquer the final counties of East Francia (21 counties). That's 50 counties while in the 867 start the HRE had 67 counties in its De Jure land and 80% would in practice mean 54 counties.

Also, what does "AI additional requirements" "Never" mean? That the AI will never create the HRE? That would be great, because I don't even want to create the HRE. I just do it to prevent someone else from doing it and forcing their imperial crown laws upon me. I am content to just hang out in Frisia. There's enough trouble with Viking raiders as it is already.

The HRE can only be created by decision, and that is sphecifically said on the "Requirements" section. This means that, for taking the decision, the normal rules for creating an Empire through the Empire's title page do not apply, only rules required to click on the decision. For any other Empire that can be created hrough the "Create" button on the title page, both rules for creating any Empire and rules conveniently listed under the "Requirements" section of this page are required for creating said Empire. And if an AI tries to make it, they also need the rules under "AI Additional Requirements" as well as the previous two requirement lists.
To answer your second question, "AI additional requirements" "Never" means that the AI cannot create the title through the title page with the "Create" button, but can still make the title through the "Form HRE" and "Form HRE Early" decisions. I hope this helps!

RedSilver (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2015 (CET)

Custom Empires maybe not quite as described?[edit]

In the section on custom empire creation, it mentions that "all kingdoms either held or entirely controlled by their creator become de jure vassals of the new empire, so long as their original de jure empire does not exist."

This appears to be not quite true in practice. In my current game (most recent patch as of 7 Nov 2016), running all DLCs and UI mods only, I have the crowns of, among others, Ireland and Jerusalem. De jure England has been slowly sliding into de jure Ireland, and is almost completely gone, but all territory of de jure England is under Irish control. When creating a custom empire, the English crown is not added to the de jure list of the new empire.

From the other direction, the Kingdom of Jerusalem crown is held by Ireland, though not all territory is held, and it is not added to the de jure list of the new empire.

In all other cases, the kingdoms are added to the list, despite the actual ownership of their de jure holdings (e.g., Brittany is added, even though parts of it are held by Wales). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvenshae (talk) 16:42, 7 November 2016‎ (CET)

Note: On further research, this might be because one of the lords in England is also the Duke of Ascalon, and that being his primary title prevents England from becoming de jure Empire of Ireland because Jerusalem cannot migrate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvenshae (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2016‎‎ (CET)

Nicene Empire[edit]

I know the Nicene Empire is playable in the Latin Empire and Rise of the Mongols starts (1204 and 1227, I think). But is the title able to be created by players? Either way, it should probably be on the list of titular empire titles. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)