Talk:Religion

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Missing entries[edit]

Missing entries for "Reformed Bön" and "Reformed Hellenic" would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. --RedsimonDE (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2018 (CET)

Placement of Holy Sites[edit]

What order should holy sites be in? Should they be in the order they appear in under MA? Should the place where the head exists (Roma, Constantinople, etc.) be first?

Same order as the appear in under MA seems the most logical, as with the exception of Rome and Constantinople there's no consistent place where the head has his capital. ~ Meneth (talk) 22:15, 10 June 2013 (CEST)

Nestorianism[edit]

The devs have confirmed that Nestorianism will no longer be a heresy, and that it will become a full religion in 2.1 Should we wait until release to add info about this, in case they change their minds, or should we update it now with, at the very least, a mention of its coming upgrade?

I've seen that too, nice stuff ! I would say it's probably best to wait for the release and final patch notes, so that the wiki reflects the state of actual game.
But in the mean time, confirmed stuff for next patch could be added to Rajas of India ! Romulien (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2014 (CET)
Nestorianism is its own thing now on the page proper, with the new Nestorian Heresy of Messalianism. Not sure if Messalians are supposed to work the same as Cathars since that's how they're looking right now. I suppose we'll see what changes in the coming weeks.
DragojevDragojev.png (Talk | Contribs) 00:35, 28 March 2014 (CET)

Ibadi[edit]

I heard that Ibadi has been updated from a heresy of Sunni to a legitimate branch of Islam. Should somebody update it on this page?

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At some point in the developpement of RoI, it was discussed that Ibadi will not be an heresy anymore (was in a dev diary) but eventualy, it's not the case in the game. They probably changed their mind at some point. Evrach (talk) 18:50, 1 April 2014 (CEST)

Jewish Faith and Great Holy War[edit]

As the Jewish Faith has no Great Holy War, shouldn't this entry be removed? Or did the latest patch (2.1.1) enable Great Holy Wars for this faith? --84.60.44.217 13:49, 7 April 2014 (CEST)

Jews do have a Great Holy War, it's just that the AI never uses it. 69.160.198.221 19:55, 24 July 2014 (CEST)

Paulicians[edit]

An Orthodox heresy which is missing; it seems to have just the regular Orthodox mechanics so it should be easy to fit in there. I'd add it myself, but I've never touched a wiki article before.

Nice spot, done ! -Romulien (talk) 13:25, 28 April 2014 (CEST)


On Zoroastrian and Jewish Heresies and Great Holy Wars[edit]

I looked into the game code for the Zoroastrian and Jewish heresies, and I saw the can_call_crusades = yes line for both. I will investigate more, and come back with answers. 69.160.198.221 19:55, 24 July 2014 (CEST)

Catholicism after Mending the Schism[edit]

With Sons of Abraham, it is possible to convert to Catholicism (easy using a decision with RoI) after mending the Great Schism and make it the dominant religion, making Orthodoxy a Catholic heresy. However, I have yet to see a Crusade called (although the Pope is my vassal as the Roman Empire, so that might have something to do with it), so it's possible Crusades are permanently disabled. Otherwise it seems to function just like Catholicism before mending the schism, with the added bonus of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre as a Holy order.

Theoretically by then switching back to Orthodoxy it would be possible to get all Catholic Holy Orders as an Orthodox Christian.

Yes, when the Great Schism is mended Catholic Crusades are perminantly disabled. However, it will still fire the "heretics control Rome" event, unlocking the Catholic Crusades even though they still can't be declared - this is for Pagans, so that they can fire their Great Holy Wars once Muslims unlock their Jihad. RedSilver (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2015 (CEST)
Unlocking the Catholic Crusades is also useful in that it allows (duchy-level) holy wars across 2 sea zones. If you manage to unlock the Catholic Crusades *before* mending the schism, I believe Catholicism will create holy orders which can then become Orthodox holy orders. -Jruderman (talk) 03:29, 11 May 2016 (CEST)

Taoism[edit]

I added Taoism to the table of parent religions and changed some references to "Indian" or "Dharman" religion groups to "Eastern" to reflect this group's new name. I deliberately left some of these in, because the update added the "has_dharmic_religion_trigger" flag to Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain characters so that they act as a "sub-group" of sorts, ensuring that mechanics previously exclusive to these religions remain exclusive even when additional religions are added to the Eastern group. As a result, Taoism lacks the Indian Subjugation CB, ease of converting to Indian religions, etc.

I may have missed something, but it seems that Taoist characters have no special CBs whatsoever, having access to only the CBs which are available to every character.

Bon paganism[edit]

I noticed Bon is not marked as a reformable variety of paganism. Is this accurate, or should there be an "Old Bon" heresy upon reformation. Does it have a religious head/great holy war mechanism if/when reformed?

It cannot be reformed. This was stated in the Dev Diary introducing the Bön religion, and can be confirmed by checking common\religions\00_religions.txt in the game files. I haven't confirmed this myself, but according to the Bön entry on the Pagans page, it is pre-reformed, which gives it the same 20% Moral Authority bonus as organized religions. 98.212.159.150

You're right. I went and checked in that file, and did not see an option for reformation (this was my question).

Bön is now reformable since Patch 3.0. --RedsimonDE (talk) 15:38, 18 November 2018 (CET)